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如果把《卡拉马佐夫兄弟》做成 visual novel 能不能大卖？先不考虑律师函问题

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这本书没啥画面感，全是概念和思辨

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你真看过吗情节多了去了

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有情节但没啥画面，景物和外貌的描写占比很小

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大量的人物对话和矛盾冲突就不算了？
\nvisual novel 本来就不需要很多景物和外貌，关键的是人物和情节

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内容当然很充足
\nvisual 画面需要立绘设计，能参考的太少了，AIGC 文生图都没太多能设计的提示词

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立绘配音这些只是 minor problem，想怎么搞都可以、大不了花钱请画师和声优，低成本的 VN 很多甚至都没有配音
\n一个 VN 最核心的驱动是剧本，剧本烂只有精致的美工和配音的宛如史上雕花

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这个好像是按《作家日记》魔改的

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美工：龙绘
\n配音：静音

现在还好，低成本可以自己瞎画，AI 帮忙改精致点。配音 clone 一些声音做 TTS

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Bobok（俄语：Бобок）是费奥多尔·陀思妥耶夫斯基于 1873 年发表的一部短篇小说，最初刊登在他本人出版的《作家日记》中。这部故事主要由墓地里新近死去的亡灵之间的对话构成，这些亡灵虽然已死，却仍然保持生前的意识和个性特征。这场对话被一位在坟墓附近躺下休息的苦恼作家所听到。

标题“Bobok”指的是墓地中一位几乎完全腐烂、平素沉默的尸体不断发出的无意义声音。这位作家在真正听到那段对话之前，也报告说自己出现了类似“Bobok”的听觉幻觉。这个词语在故事中被理解为胡言乱语或废话的象征。

哲学家与文学评论家米哈伊尔·巴赫金认为，Bobok 是梅尼普讽刺文学传统中最优秀的作品之一，并指出它浓缩了陀思妥耶夫斯基几部重要长篇小说中的许多主题关怀。

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你得先帮他续写后半部

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做不到，没有那个功力
\n现有的部分就已经非常优秀了，而且狗尾续貂乃是大忌
\n高鹗现在都在被人指指点点

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不错，今晚回去看看别人的实况录像

\n","createdAt":"2025-06-30 15:58:05.016764","updatedAt":"2025-06-30 15:58:05.016764","replyToPostNumber":8,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":17,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/86/f2/86f267c0aaa73835a999b7cc3a7e7a701605574eda9a2c2a56f5ddbbba64d1a9.avif","admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":58923,"postNumber":14,"raw":"看你想搞什么风格，可以参考极乐迪斯科，也可以参考楼里的 Bobok，美少女 gal 就算了（但是可以学 9-nine 的分割商法）\n最重要的是弄清楚你的 visual novel 和原本的纯粹文本的差异，玩家为什么要给你花钱，如果现在世上已经有这么牛逼的原著了？你相对于它的价值在哪里？你有什么设计可以增强这个故事的表现力？\n就是要思考所谓的创造性转化，创新性发展，这些","cooked":"

看你想搞什么风格，可以参考极乐迪斯科，也可以参考楼里的 Bobok，美少女 gal 就算了（但是可以学 9-nine 的分割商法）
\n最重要的是弄清楚你的 visual novel 和原本的纯粹文本的差异，玩家为什么要给你花钱，如果现在世上已经有这么牛逼的原著了？你相对于它的价值在哪里？你有什么设计可以增强这个故事的表现力？
\n就是要思考所谓的创造性转化，创新性发展，这些

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游戏相对于纯粹文本最关键的差异是可互动性、沉浸性和多媒体配合（纯文本不可能有的立绘 - 文案 - 音乐配合 etc.）
\n去年有个独立游戏，Indika，也可以看出明显的俄国文学气质，可以学习

https://b23.tv/PemQGpA

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很多动画电影漫画之间互相转换之后，评分都很低。想做好不是件容易的事情。

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给瓦·德·奥博连斯卡娅

圣彼得堡一八七二年一月二十日

……您拟将我的长篇小说（《罪与罚》）改编成戏剧，对此我当然完全同意，况且我已立了一条规矩——绝不阻挠这类尝试。但是我不得不向您指出，这类尝试几乎从未取得成功，至少从未取得完全成功。

艺术自有其奥秘，其叙事的形式完全不同于戏剧形式。我甚至相信，对艺术的各种形式来说，存在着与之相适应的种种艺术思维，因此，一种思维绝不可能在另一种与它不相适应的形式中得到体现。

倘若您为了改编成戏剧而将长篇小说尽量加以改写和变动，只保留某个情节，或者取其基本思想而将情节另行安排，那就又当别论了……

请您千万别将这些话视为劝阻。再说一遍，我完全赞同您的打算，而您不达目的誓不休的决心令我高兴……

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