{"topic":{"id":13187,"title":"家用宽带之雷","slug":"topic","categoryId":4,"createdAt":"2024-07-31 14:32:20.736013","bumpedAt":"2025-02-01 18:19:39.391964","views":371,"postsCount":12,"highestPostNumber":12,"likeCount":4,"closed":false,"pinned":false,"pinnedGlobally":false,"pinnedAt":null,"pinnedUntil":null,"isBanner":false,"excerpt":"Tomotake Rin: 在有限的预算和淘汰旧设备配上 windows 和家用宽带这两个雷，有种垃圾佬的美如今，lz 踩中了家用宽带这个雷。 lz 在家中使用 NAS 作为影音库并玩 PT，没有设置任何限制放开了跑，3 个月上传了超过 1TB 数据，被移动卡了脖子，丢失了 ipv6 并变成 NAT4，上传几乎完全被掐，PT 几乎跑不动。我承认这个上传可能确实有点过分，但家宽的上行本来就是只有下行 1/10 的小水管，我顶着上行限制…","deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"category":{"id":4,"name":"谈笑风生","slug":"general","color":"25AAE2"},"author":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/86/f2/86f267c0aaa73835a999b7cc3a7e7a701605574eda9a2c2a56f5ddbbba64d1a9.avif"},"tags":[]},"posts":[{"id":38091,"postNumber":1,"raw":"[quote=\"Tomotake Rin, post:14, topic:11281, username:Rin\"]\n在有限的预算和淘汰旧设备配上 windows 和家用宽带这两个雷，有种垃圾佬的美\n[/quote]\n\n如今，lz 踩中了家用宽带这个雷。\n\nlz 在家中使用 NAS 作为影音库并玩 PT，没有设置任何限制放开了跑，3 个月上传了超过 1TB 数据，被移动卡了脖子，丢失了 ipv6 并变成 NAT4，上传几乎完全被掐，PT 几乎跑不动。\n\n我承认这个上传可能确实有点过分，但家宽的上行本来就是只有下行 1/10 的小水管，我顶着上行限制跑也没有违反什么条款，运营商无权在我不知情的情况下限制我的宽带使用。\n\n如今有两个解决方法，一个是去签那个可笑的保证书，同时每个月加 10 元升级千兆宽带，然后捏着鼻子限速限流；另一个是花 120 元把一条闲置的千兆宽带迁移过来，然后继续捏着鼻子限速限流。答案看似明确，长痛不如短痛，但宽带在父母名下，要说服他们去办，而且两条宽带都是移动的，不确定会不会因为地址相同而继续限制。\n\n[spoiler] 在东大和漂亮国联合伺候下，程序员的福气能小吗 [/spoiler]","cooked":"

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在有限的预算和淘汰旧设备配上 windows 和家用宽带这两个雷，有种垃圾佬的美
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如今，lz 踩中了家用宽带这个雷。

lz 在家中使用 NAS 作为影音库并玩 PT，没有设置任何限制放开了跑，3 个月上传了超过 1TB 数据，被移动卡了脖子，丢失了 ipv6 并变成 NAT4，上传几乎完全被掐，PT 几乎跑不动。

我承认这个上传可能确实有点过分，但家宽的上行本来就是只有下行 1/10 的小水管，我顶着上行限制跑也没有违反什么条款，运营商无权在我不知情的情况下限制我的宽带使用。

如今有两个解决方法，一个是去签那个可笑的保证书，同时每个月加 10 元升级千兆宽带，然后捏着鼻子限速限流；另一个是花 120 元把一条闲置的千兆宽带迁移过来，然后继续捏着鼻子限速限流。答案看似明确，长痛不如短痛，但宽带在父母名下，要说服他们去办，而且两条宽带都是移动的，不确定会不会因为地址相同而继续限制。

在东大和漂亮国联合伺候下，程序员的福气能小吗

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以前有听说过。

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pt 大家是不是一般都租境外服务器跑。之前有看到 peers 列表里一串的🇩🇪标志

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hetzner netcup 杜甫不限流爽跑，还有 buyvm

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本质还是运营商为了多赚钱限制用户上传，PCDN 严重损害了运营商的利益 🐈️
\n挺羡慕你还有公网 IPv4 的，不过取消 IPv6 确实有点过了
\n建议去工信部投诉，具体文件可以参考：
\n工信部中央网信办：开展“网络去 NAT”专项工作进一步深化 IPv6 部署应用
\n我也在玩 PT，不过家里小水管就算了，还是学校教育网上下对等舒服 $\":cat_rabbit:\"$

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ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

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那种都是专门刷流的 seedbox 服务器得大盘鸡吧价格也不便宜一般大家玩 PT 都是家宽

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ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

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哪个省 😨 据说不同省份有松紧之分
\n三个月 1TB 上传真不算大，建议直接工信部投诉走起
\n我 pt 目前为止一直是拿宿舍的校园网，1000Mbps 上行毕业了就真体验不到了（）
\n但缺点是寒暑假得停机几个月（比如现在），而且由于我懒得拆硬盘，下下来的资源也访问不了；所以这几天在考虑组一台 NAS 放家里，主要做影音库 + 数据备份+pt

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我也想在家里放一台，目前碰到了以下阻力：

噪音，家父家母对这种东西很敏感
电费
坏了咋办，系统层面的还好说，如果是不得已必须拆机人在外面咋办

虽说成品 NAS 的稳定性还行，不过国产 NAS 的隐私性拉跨，群晖价格又太贵

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ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

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一方面尽可能降低噪音（e.g. 噪音较小的风扇、限制 CPU 功耗，极端情况下考虑纯被动散热？）另一方面有足够的条件可以物理隔绝（比如放到另一个房间？）
电费：我能想到的也就主动限制 CPU 功耗了，但 NAS 的功耗大头是硬盘 😇 所以也没特别好的想法
目前而言基本无解（不过不得已必须拆机的故障我还没遇到过 🤔

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虽说成品 NAS 的稳定性还行，不过国产 NAS 的隐私性拉跨，群晖价格又太贵
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国产 NAS 本质上还是一个网盘，我不会考虑购买；群晖的功能齐全并且推荐&好评多，但是价格劝退；所以我选择买 PC 组件自己组 😸

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hetzner netcup 杜甫不限流爽跑，还有 buyvm
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最近买了个 512G 的 VPS，已经开始刷流量了 😇
\n不过各大站对盒子限制也越来越多了，不知道什么时候就玩死了

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ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

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不是，你这个上传量和我差不多啊，你是联通用户？
\n我这边移动倒是没这么多破事...

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lz 踩中了家用宽带这个雷
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我遇到这个问题主要是因为我拿迅雷的网心云插件跑了一星期 PCDN，我该死 $\":sweat_smile_clown_face:\"$

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我是移动用户，我所描述的措施也是移动所采取的

目前运营商对于 PCDN 的判定主要依据 PCDN 探针，对于 PT 玩家的影响不大，但以防万一还是建议控制流量

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